October 20, 2008

Community Security Trust support for "necklacing" of Jews?

The Community Security Trust (CST), aka, the provisional wing of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, provides a visible presence outside synagogues in smart areas of major cities and suburbs to convey an impression of a community under threat. They also send photographers to Palestine solidarity demonstrations and refuse to confirm whether they keep files on individuals or not. You might call them "shadowy" or you might call them silly or you might call them both.

Well a chap giving a CST email address recently appeared to endorse an apparent death threat against anti-zionist Jews on Harry's Place. The comment appearing to contain a death threat appears under a post by a chap called Michael Ezra (aka Mikey). David Toube appears to delegate posting rights to Ezra because Ezra will openly say things that even Toube won't stoop to. Well the post is too silly to quote but it's here.

If you scroll down the comments you'll see a discussion where various comments insist that without Jewish supremacy in occupied Palestine, Jews will be killed in large numbers. Without considering the fact that it's the supremacy thing which is getting Jews targeted in the first place, a David Herman comments thus:
To cut through the nonsense - both Greenstien and Rance are long term anti-zionists who want to see Israel destroyed/disappear/be no more (take your pick) for some reason they believe the fact that they’re Jewish adds some moral weight to their position.

I believe they’re psychologically flawed fools who collaborate with the enemies of the Jewish people.

They should remember that in the Nazi ghettos of Europe and the townships of South Africa the first people that the resistance targeted were collaborators.

In less forgiving times they would be receiving a necklace for hanukah!

Ok, a classic case of projection. Zionists have always collaborated with antisemitism from the inception of the movement, through the rise (and even the fall) of the nazis down to the present day with their love affair with the Christian right in America. He might not know, or he chooses to ignore, the fact that the collaborators in the ghettoes were overwhelmingly zionists. And yes they were killed. Also, the necklace killings in South Africa were carried out by natives against natives that collaborated with the settler regime and anti-zionist Jews in common with the overwhelming majority of Jews are not native to Palestine and they want the settler regime abolished in Palestine. This Herman chap wants the settler regime maintained and appears to believe that should times become less "forgiving" anti-zionist Jews should and would be necklaced.

Tony Greenstein has run a post on this, given that he is named in the HP post and the comments. My name seems to have been banished by the two Davids, Hirsh and Toube, since I made both look so silly on so many occasions. In his post it appears that this Herman chap can make some claim to respectability but the commenter that stood out amid the non sequiturs, guilt by association ploys and personal abuse, was one from a "Mark Gardner".
Jews against Zionism in their own words, but taken from the pro Hizbollah website, Inminds:

“Jews Against Zionism is an organisation of Jews and others opposed to the Zionist movement and ideology, and to its impact on both Palestinians and Jews. We believe that the conflict in Palestine cannot be resolved without a return of Palestinian refugees and dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel; and that this is impossible in the context of “two states“ and a re-partition of Palestine.

We advocate the only approach which can lead to peace with justice in the region; we call fro a unitary, secular and democratic Palestine, the return of Palestinian refugees, and full and equal rights for Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all other people living in the whole of Palestine.”

Now, you can have a Talmudic disputation as to how the “dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel” does not equal “smash Zionism” or “destroy Israel” but I’m in David Herman’s (considerable) shadow on this one. We know where Rance and Greenstein stand, we know their previous, and its exactly why pro-Hizbollah websites carry their propaganda. Duh.
Ok, the comment is the usual HP/Engage stupidness but hover your mouse over the name "Mark Gardner" and this email address appears: dave.r@thecst.org.uk.

Now given the propensity of many zionist bloggers for sock puppetry and not just in the comments, I don't know how the discrepancy between the screenname and the email address is explained but the email is a Community Security Trust address and the comment is applauding what looks like a death threat in an earlier comment. Perhaps "Mark Gardner" would like to explain or maybe David Toube or his colleagues will rush to his assistance and delete the offending comments whilst pretending to have done no such thing. After all "we know their previous".

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