The previous post
links to the suspension letter I received from the Labour Party on 30 April 2020. You don't need to read the suspension letter to get its ghyst from here but the complaint purported to arise out of two blog comments (not posts, comments to posts) and four tweets. The suspension letter didn't link to any of them and the letter's author effected at least to believe they were from Facebook. I didn't find the "offending" items prior to responding to them so I will try to find them now.
I'll list them as the suspension letter does but by linking rather than quoting:
Item 1. https://twitter.com/jewssf/status/1245385832267165698?s=20
Note the date of item 1. It's 2020, this year.
Item 2. http://web.archive.org/web/20090626033019/http://www.haloscan.com/comments/levi9909/5773458525484843543/#319340
If you've read Eurosabra's previous offerings, you don't have to read the latest at all to know that it offers "breathtaking mendacity."
The sad thing, I think, is this propensity for sheer instinctive dishonesty has become a habit of mind with many, maybe most, Jews. It's part of the culture now and it'll be a hard slog shifting it. I think as communities, the Jews are heading for a disaster thanks to this grotesque culture of deceit. I can't imagine what form this disaster will take but suppose it happens like a flash, in a moment. I wonder who will be identifying as Jews after it happens.
I was just reading this: http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/...om/ zionamer.htm
The whole site is worth a look at but I find it a bit hard to navigate. Maybe it's me, I'm just a poor navigator.
Mark Elf (levi9909) | Homepage | 11.13.07 - 7:49 am | #
And see the date on that one, 2007. Kinda outta sync. What's all that about?
Item 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20090626033019/http://www.haloscan.com/comments/levi9909/5773458525484843543/#319538
Anon - the press in the UK is overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Even a pro-Israel journo - Sam Kiley - had to leave the Times because in spite of being pro-Israel himself he was asked to run an article on the unit of the Israeli army that killed Mohamed al-Durra, without mentioning the killing of Mohamed al-Durra. Kiley left in disgust. The Telegraph is no less pro-Israel now than when it was owned by Conrad Black who also owned the Jerusalem Post. He took the Jerusalem Post over to the Likud and did the same with the Telegraph. It has less op-ed pieces on Israel now because Barbara Amiel couldn't publish her fanatically right wing zionist vanity pieces when her husband no longer owned the paper. The Guardian and Independent both have determinedly pro-zionist editorial policies though both are more critical of Israel than the Times and Telegraph. Both have resident zionists commenting on Israel and zionism. They also have resident anti-zionists but rarely are they allowed to comment on Israel or zionism, they're just known to be anti-zionist.
Logic can't really be used to assess the pro-Israeli-ness or not of this or that newspaper. It's a matter of observation. That being the case, show us some links to the ant-Israel op-eds in the Guardian or Independent newspapers.
Mark Elf (levi9909) | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 12:40 am | #
Item 4. https://twitter.com/jewssf/status/1229424582165135360?s=20
Yup the @BoardofDeputies
helped antisemites into power in the UK. Sadly this is not the first time Zionists have collaborated with antisemitism. In fact at the inception of the Zionist movement many Jews saw Zionism itself as collaboration with antisemitism. They were right. https://t.co/B9cQqc70oK
— Jews Sans Frontieres (@jewssf) February 17, 2020
Item 5. https://twitter.com/jewssf/status/1231379194703220736?s=20
Item 6. https://twitter.com/jewssf/status/1236296569789480960?s=20
So there is the evidence now read on....
is my reply to your email of 30 April 2020 and the Draft Charge and
my response I will be calling into question both your integrity and
I must say that I am disgusted that whoever it is besmirching my
character appears to have been stalking me online for some years
going back at least to 2007. That being the case, they must
that my suspension has come at a time when I have been engaged in a
project as an ambulance driver taking Covid19 patients to and from
hospital. In my work I am more exposed than most people to a
potentially deadly virus and it is known that stress makes people
more vulnerable to sickness of many kinds, especially viruses, than
during normal times. You are aware that your actions are
intrinsically stressful because you have lately been including
details of the Samaritans in case you drive people to suicide. In
doing this you are confirming rumours that people are indeed taking
their own lives because of the hurt you are doing to them. Whoever's
bidding you are doing in this is deliberately seeking to appear
ruthless and they are succeeding at that. They may even cause
antisemitism by their/your actions. And of course by following
instructions instead of telling the complainant to consider what they
are doing and to back off during this time, you are culpable for your
my case, the false allegations against me, including your own
rehashing of apparently genuine quotes to make them appear like
generalisations against my fellow "Jewish people" rather
than comments about a state, some
and certain named organisations which they obviously were, you aren't
causing me hurt except I do find it sad that you have resorted to
such dishonesty. I also worry that you can't seem to distinguish
between various social media (see
my take on question 2. I now realise why your reordering of my
comments looks so strange with a tweet from c 2020, two blog comments
from 2007 and then three tweets from c 2020). Also you
might be acting on a distortion of the McPherson Principle which is
supposed to arise out of offensive incidents not invented ones and
it doesn’t allow for a bogus definition of any form of racism,
especially one which is internally contradictory and racist in its
to the questions.
actually have three Facebook accounts but I never use any of them for
posting, just messaging of a personal nature. So there are no
political comments by me on Facebook. I think pretending to believe
the comments come from Facebook is my accusers excuse for the
eccentric reordering of the tweets and comments, with the 13 year old
ones being blog comments coming 2nd and 3rd
while a far more recent one comes first thought it is a tweet. Other
tweets come 4th 5th and 6th.
Weird...until you realise just how dishonest the whole exercise is.
looks to me that 4 of the 6 comments, items 1, 4, 5 and 6, are from
Twitter though I do not have links to the tweets in question and
therefore I cannot find them. The other 2 appear to be from a blog
commenting system which no longer exists. You will note that they are
from 2007. So, I am sorry I cannot confirm or deny having written and
shared them. It would help if your Informant or complainant could
point out that it is noticeable whilst Items 2 and 3 are from 2007
they have nothing to do with each other. One is about some Jews and
is the only one about any members of my own Jewish community in a
discussion with Jews from the same community and from across the
political spectrum and the other is about the interference in the
journalism in a newspaper owned by a renowned Christian Zionist,
Rupert Murdoch, who
believe to be antisemitic so
definitely not Jewish.
way you have ordered the items is itself dishonest. You have taken 4
tweets probably from the past year which at a glance or in detail are
completely innocent in any context and 2 from 13years ago but you
have tucked one of the four tweets before the one comment which needs
some unpacking and explanation. The other comment (as distinct from
tweet) is again completely innocent by any interpretation but it is
on the same subject as the tweets ie, The State of Israel, the media
or this or that organisation. It stands out therefore that my
accusers are conflating Jews with the State of Israel, the media and
Jewish organisations, a conflation which goes to the heart of the
antisemitic worldwide Jewish conspiracy theory.
can try to interpret them but at present I cannot even confirm they
were by me. In all honestly they resemble things I might have said.
So let me try item by item:
is self explanatory. It is saying that a group founded by businessman
Gerald Ronson, Community Security Trust (CST), together with its
security work also does Israel advocacy.
Rusbridger, former editor of The Guardian newspaper reported in a
documentary on Israel lobbying and advocacy that the founder of the
CST, Gerald Ronson, visited him in his office to complain about a 2
part article in The Guardian describing Israel as an apartheid state.
Now clearly this had nothing to do with security for Jews in the UK.
It was purely an exercise in Israel advocacy.
is no denying that CST works on Israel advocacy and lobbying as part
of its brief and, clearly, that is what was meant in the tweet. In
any case there is nothing antisemitic in criticising a group of
activists whatever their activity.
looks like part of a wider discussion which
appears to have taken place 13 years ago. I suspect the time on the
comment is American time. It looks to me like a poorly expressed
notion (if I am right about the time it was late at night) that
supporters of The State of Israel cannot use standard means of
defending its actions and have therefore cultivated (hence the word
"culture") a dishonest means of argumentation in favour of
Israel to undermine its critics and even its victims. There was no
generalisation about "Jewish people" (draft charge number
2) . Instead the words are ‘many, maybe most, Jews’ and are in
the context of
a discussion with my fellow Jews
If I was to express that now I would talk about the propensity of
the establishment generally
self deceive. I certainly wouldn't ever denigrate Jewish people as
a whole because a) I am Jewish myself and fear and abhor
antisemitism and b) generalisations about whole ethnicities or faith
groups are racist. I
also wouldn’t discuss the specifics of Jewish identity issues on a
public forum because I am frightened by the vilification of Jews who
dissent from establishment narratives of which my administrative
suspension is but one of many examples. Remember this was 2007.
is clearly a response to someone posting anonymously and it simply
states the demonstrable fact that the print media is overwhelmingly
pro-Israel. This http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/345.html is
the the link to Sam Kiley's article in which he complains of Rupert
Murdoch's proprietal interference into editorial and journalistic
matters at his newspapers. Ironically among Jews, Murdoch is famous
for being both a Christian Zionist and he’s
believed to be
the media referenced in the comment are or were owned by Jews nor
is it suggested or implied by me that they are.
this point I can only assume that my accusers are themselves
antisemitic and might even be having a joke at
my and the party’s expense. To conflate Murdoch with Jews is
beneath contempt. I must say that you do not do enough background
checking of these things.
again is self-explanatory. The Board of Deputies has been openly
supportive of the Conservative Party. Various antisemitic utterances
and behaviours by leading Tories have been conveniently ignored from
Jacob Rees Mogg accusing the Jewish speaker, John Bercow, of being
Illuminati to Theresa May unveiling a statue of the known Hitler
admirer, Lady Astor.
It has also ignored Boris Johnson's antisemitic portrayals of Jews in
his novel, 72 Virgins. The Conservative Party is in power so it is
fair to say that all those who undermined the
Labour Party "helped antisemites into power in the UK". And
it is the case that Zionist history is replete with episodes of
collaboration with antisemitism. There is a very good article by SOAS
Professor , Gilberta Achcar" about the "complementarity
between the anti-Semitic desire to get rid of the Jews and the
Zionist project of sending all Jews to Palestine"
this is self-explanatory. It is claiming that most of the specific
well publicised allegations of antisemitism against Labour members
have been false. This is the case with the allegations themselves and
the direction they have taken. For example the allegations against
Jeremy Corbyn included claims that he was antisemitc by Margaret
Hodge. She must have known he saved a Jewish cemetery from being
sold off by Islington Council. She was the leader of the Council at
the time. She must have known that he condemned Paul Flynn for saying
a Jew should never be UK ambassador to Israel. She must have known
about his support for Haredi Jews over autopsies and the swift
release of bodies for burial. She must have known of Corbyn's
condemnation of Tam Dalyell for accusing Tony Blair of being in
thrall to a "Jewish cabal". Jeremy Corbyn was also a great
help to Yemeni Jews seeking to settle in the UK.
references to JLM and LFI address the fact that in my experience, the
policies of these groups support the ethnic cleansing of the
Palestinians and do not simply support The State of Israel's "right
to exist" but its right to exist as a state specially for the
world's Jews rather than a state for all of its people. This is my
opinion as a Jew of two groups whose membership is not solely or even
largely Jewish. Again criticism of these group is not antisemitic.
this is self-explanatory and addresses the oft buried issue of
Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. Ironically the best authors on
this subject are based in Israel, many are supporters of Zionism, but
in the interests of proper history, this episode has been included in
the syllabus in Israeli schools. In
the tweet the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust is stated to
be 6 million. I understand that there were fully 11 million people
murdered in the Holocaust but the tweet in item 6 is only referring
to the Jewish element. There is nothing in that tweet to even hint at
a denial or a revision of the scope and intentionality of the
Holocaust. Any alternative suggestion is simply a lie.
is nothing in my conduct that could be construed as being in breach
of Rule 2.1.8., even if the quotes are taken out of context. Only by
dishonestly inserting the words "Jewish people" as if I am
negatively generalising about my own Jewish people can any of my own
words or those genuinely or in good faith attributed to me be
construed as being in breach of the rule.
said that, whilst I am not very scholarly I heard a great deal about
rule changes in recent years. Please note that two of the comments
attributed to me are from 2007. These allegations against me are bad
enough without lifting comments out of their original context and
from 13 years ago and applying later rules retrospectively. I need to
write an aside here to the effect that your bad faith is plain for
all to see and you really should desist from this. I
have already mentioned how you seem to be building up to an absurd
“pattern of behaviour” case and I believe that this is why you
have taken one comment from 2007 which could be taken out of context
by my use of the word “deceit” rather then the expression
“intellectual dishonesty” and you have juxtaposed it with a
perfectly innocuous comment about how a Christian Zionist (alleged
to be antisemitic)
runs his newspapers! You then appear to jump forward to 2020 as if to
say I have behaved provocatively towards the Jewish people for a
whole 13 years because you can liken not the first comment (item 2)
to a comment in 2020 but the second innocuous one about Murdoch to a
2020 tweet again about non-Jewish proprietors of national media.
comments you have attributed to me all appear to have been made in
good faith and are perfectly polite, representing what I believe from
years of learning and thinking about Jewish identity
it was me using words like "culture of deceit" even though
taking the comment out of the context of a discussion which it
appears to be and importing words in charge 3, that do not appear in
the original quote, I would not say "culture of deceit", I
would say "cultivated tendency to intellectual dishonesty"
for many years now I have chosen my words very carefully so that
unscrupulous people cannot quote me out of context only avoiding the
charge of barefaced lying by judicious use of quotation marks.
also wouldn’t discuss internal Jewish business on what could turn
out to be a wider public forum.
is only one comment out of all of the examples that I would not
personally post for reasons I have already explained. It is the
comment in Item 2. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the
other comments and the comment in item 2 is only wrong taken out of
context. I do not nor would I negatively generalise about the "Jewish
people" and contest strongly the false allegation that I would.
Indeed, I believe I have been targeted because I am one of the Jewish
people. It's one of the cruel ironies of our time that the same
people that describe The State of Israel as "the only democracy
in the Middle East" want to ensure that there is only one
Jewish community viewpoint in the UK in spite of our political,
cultural and ethnic diversity.
need links to the comments you attribute to me in order to fully
understand the context in which they were made. Context is all. You
have provided none.
was born and raised Jewish in the tradition known as mainstream
orthodoxy under the auspices of the United Hebrew Congregations of
the British Commonwealth.
This has left me with a profound
my Jewish identity
and, without wishing to sound sectarian, and,
as I wrote, an abhorrence, of antisemitism. I also, again
wishing to sound sectarian, have
a very powerful
as a Jew I
have a moral responsibility to
express my revulsion
at the abuse of Palestinian rights. I
am not saying that Jews who ignore or even cause the plight of the
Palestinians are somehow less Jewish than I am but I would never
submit to the idea that I am somehow less Jewish than my upbringing
has made me because of my support for the Palestinian cause.
have just revisited your Draft Charge page and I am utterly disgusted
with you. I thought your timing was bad enough but to level such
outrageous lies at a Jew is downright racist and if you cannot see
this, you need some training. I am saying you are racist. It isn’t
simply that the allegations are false but they are so demonstrably
false and so deliberately set out to be offensive to Jews you have
deliberately set out offend me as a Jew.
This applies far more to you than to me. I am anti-racist and
internationalist. I have no hostility towards or prejudice against
anyone on account of any group identity heritage.
I do not use antisemitic actions or stereotypes nor do I harbour
any antisemitic sentiments.
I do not claim that “Jewish people” have anything negative
in common. That is a manipulative insertion of words when the
reference in item 2 is clearly to some people’s resort to
intellectual dishonesty when defending The State of Israel
5. None of the comments or tweets mention international
connections of any kind unless you count the non-Jewish Conrad
Black’s ownership of the Jerusalem Post and The Daily Telegraph.
The references in item 3 are entirely to media that are not owned by
Jews. Clearly it is my accusers who subscribe to an antisemitic
stereotype. The references are all to pro-Israel stances chosen
freely by the media in question.
7, 8. These are the pack of lies that have caused me the most anger
and distress and I cannot believe you have simply clumsily run with
someone else’s demonstrably false allegations without actually
checking to see how far from the words used in the items (for
argument’s sake, my own words) depart from the description in the
Draft Charge. The lies are so despicable they aren’t even laughable
like the others. The others do reveal my accusers’ propensity for
antisemitic stereotypes when none of the media I have mentioned have
any Jewish proprietors.
1 involved the fact
that the idea of a colony in Palestine specially for Jews was
proposed by antisemitic colonialists several years before the Jewish
Zionist movement was established. For some. eg. Napolean, the motive
was colonial for others, Churchill, GK Chesterton, the motive was
antisemitic. “Jews to Palestine” was an antisemitic slogan before
it became a Zionist one and when GK Chesterton was challenged on his
attitude to Jews he said, “You see, I am not an anti-Semite, I am a
the founding of the World Zionist Organisation many antisemites would
explain away their racism against Jews as Gentile or Christian
Zionism. Christian Zionism is even more ominous for Jews, its
position being that all Jews should settle in the Holy Land and there
convert to Christianity or be annihilated if they refuse. That hasn’t
stopped Israel’s current Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu,
addressing events of groups like America’s Moral Majority.
The close association of Zionist movement founder, Theodor Herzl and
Tsarist Russia’s pogromist-in-chief, Count von Plehve is well
collaboration between Zionism and nazism began very soon after the
nazis came to power and it too is well documented and is actually
taught to Israeli secondary school students. Israeli Zionists tend to
take much more seriously the idea that Jews belong in Israel, nowhere
most notorious of Zionist dealings with the nazis was the Transfer or
Ha’avara Agreement but there were other examples even after WWII
and even the Holocaust had begun. Zionist paramilitaries led
by founders of the largest party
Likud offered Hitler and Mussolini an alliance
and Hannah Arendt, in her famous book, Eichmann in Jerusalem, refers
to the collaboration
that had Zionist leaders in Hungary calling on Jews to assemble at
designated places where the waiting SS would take them to Auschwitz
for extermination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezs%C5%91_Kasztner
the Ha’avara agreement was supported by the then mainstream Labour
Zionists but rejected out of hand by the harder
group we now know as Likud.
in item 1
anywhere near your false allegations. There is no denial of the
scope, mechanisms or intentionality of the Holocaust, nothing to
accuse anyone of exaggerating the Holocaust and nothing using
Holocaust “metaphors and comparisons”. The allegation is simply a
lie without even a kernel of truth.
4 goes to show that your chutzpah, in making these false allegations
against me, knows no bounds. It is an approving retweet of the leader
Socialist Group pointing out that the Board of Deputies did
everything it could to ensure Labour would not win an election
“knowing the alternative was Johnson, whose chief advisor employs a
eugenicist aide; Braverman, who
uses a/s tropes, gets a top job, and a Tory MP speaks alongside Euro
far right” Or put another way,
the Board of Deputies “helped antisemites into power in the UK”.
You have already seen examples of Zionists doing similar things at
different times and places.
is hard to see why you have item 4 listed in the most despicable of
your false allegations against me. It might be that any talk of
Zionist collaboration or aid to antisemitism calls to my accusers’
minds, the most appalling of examples of that collaboration but that
tweet does not mention the Holocaust or the nazis at all.
6 fully exposes the sheer dishonesty of my accusers. There is a clear
affirmation of the fact that 6 million of my fellow Jews were
murdered by the nazis in the Holocaust. How
anyone can even try to derive from that any hint of Holocaust denial
or revisionism is impossible to understand.
of the items 1, 4 or 6 in any way amounts to anything that could be
described as Holocaust denial or revisionism. You and your
informant/complainants are simply and despicably lying.
have suspended me as part of the general sweep against Jews and other
anti-racists and supporters of the Palestinian cause. You have one
comment purportedly by me in 2007 which you could distort by
preceding words which could have been mine with words which turn a
claim about some people into a generalisation about Jewish people.
You then, unfathomably at first, set out 5 other examples which taken
separately or together are perfectly innocuous. The reason one of
them is from 2007 is to try to link the other comment from 2007 to
tweets from 2020. In this way you are seeking to establish one of
your stupid “pattern of behaviour” raps in the absence of actual
evidence of what you are accusing me of.
in all I have clearly established that nothing I have said in any
forum could be construed in its correct context as antisemitic. It is
your conduct towards me which constitutes racist abuse and some of my
accusers’ assumptions about, for example, media ownership go to
show that it is my accusers who promote antisemitic tropes about
Jewish media control. The comments in the items 1 to 6 where they
mention the media at all all
establish that there are no Jewish owners of mass media in the UK and
in item 1 was owned by a Catholic. Likewise
where the Holocaust is mentioned at all, the figure of 6 million Jews
deliberately murdered by the nazis is affirmed,, neither minimised
nor denied. So
I reject the charges in total.