DC: Have you completely rejected Zionism?Almost a month ago, Gabriel wrote that Gideon Levy almost gets it. Maybe he does get it now.
GL: Zionism has many meanings. For sure, the common concept of Zionism
includes the occupation, includes the perception that Jews have more rights
in Palestine than anyone else, that the Jewish people are the chosen people,
that there can't be equality between Jews and Arabs, Jews and Palestinians.
All those beliefs which are very basic in current Zionism, I can't share
them. In this sense, I can define myself as an anti-Zionist.
On the other hand, the belief about the Jewish people having the right to
live in Palestine side by side with the Palestinians, doing anything
possible to compensate the Palestinians for the terrible tragedy that they
went through in 1948, this can also be called the Zionist belief. In this
case, I share those views.
DC: If somebody was to call you a moderate Zionist would you have any
GL: The moderate Zionists are like the Zionist left in Israel, which I can't
stand. Meretz and Peace Now, who are not ready, for example, to open the
"1948 file" and to understand that until we solve this, nothing will be
solved. Those are the moderate Zionists. In this case, I prefer the
DC: The right-wingers are more honest?
Richard Engel as a judge of the debate
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