October 20, 2008

And now David Herman didn't mean what he seemed to mean

Here is the comment on the Harry's Place blog by David Herman:
To cut through the nonsense - both Greenstien and Rance are long term anti-zionists who want to see Israel destroyed/disappear/be no more (take your pick) for some reason they believe the fact that they’re Jewish adds some moral weight to their position.

I believe they’re psychologically flawed fools who collaborate with the enemies of the Jewish people.

They should remember that in the Nazi ghettos of Europe and the townships of South Africa the first people that the resistance targeted were collaborators.

In less forgiving times they would be receiving a necklace for hanukah!

Here is Community Security Trust Communications Director, Mark Gardner's response:
Jews against Zionism in their own words, but taken from the pro Hizbollah website, Inminds:

“Jews Against Zionism is an organisation of Jews and others opposed to the Zionist movement and ideology, and to its impact on both Palestinians and Jews. We believe that the conflict in Palestine cannot be resolved without a return of Palestinian refugees and dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel; and that this is impossible in the context of “two states“ and a re-partition of Palestine.

We advocate the only approach which can lead to peace with justice in the region; we call fro a unitary, secular and democratic Palestine, the return of Palestinian refugees, and full and equal rights for Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all other people living in the whole of Palestine.”

Now, you can have a Talmudic disputation as to how the “dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel” does not equal “smash Zionism” or “destroy Israel” but I’m in David Herman’s (considerable) shadow on this one. We know where Rance and Greenstein stand, we know their previous, and its exactly why pro-Hizbollah websites carry their propaganda. Duh.
My post saying that this looked like a death threat is here and Mark Gardner's retort is here.

And finally, here is David Herman's "explanation" (in Hebrew, hasbara) of what he really meant:
Mark Gardiner interpretation of my comment is right. I was not threatening anyone with murder. I'm a democrat not a totalitarian. I was merely pointing out that in less 'forgiving times' collaborators were dealt with more harshly than now.

I'm delighted that we live in times when we can have free and open debate with anyone and everyone - however repulsive we might find each others views.
Thank goodness for that, the anti-racists among us can continue our campaigning against Jewish supremacy in occupied Palestine and those of us who are Jewish can rest easy in the knowledge that the Community Security Trust has more important things to do than lend its well resourced weight to threats of any kind against those of us who denounce zionist collaboration with antisemitism from Tsar Nicolas II, through Simon Petliura, through the nazis, the Galtieri regime and now the Christian right of America.

I don't expect the zionists to learn from history, in fact history and the present show that they don't, but they could at least memorise their history, then they'll know who it is that has the record for collaboration with the enemies of the Jewish people and they might avoid these embarrassing little scrapes.


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